Once and For All, Are Converse Vegan?
Google the phrase “are converse vegan” and you will find a debate raging. There are many different ideas flying around out there.
I decided to attempt to resolve the controversy once and for all by writing to Converse and asking.
Their response:
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, we do not have any products that are certain to be Vegan-friendly. While the majority of our materials are animal-by-product free, the glue in our products can sometimes contain some animal by-products. So, it is not possible for us to advertise our products as being truly Vegan.
We apologize if this prevents you from being able to wear our product. We certainly hope it does not because there is nothing in the world like a pair of Converse shoes!
If we can assist you further, please let us know.
Jessica
Converse.Com
Customer Service
I found this odd however, because 1. it seemed kind of wishy washy…
“the glue can sometimes contain animal by- products” ?
If you remember my post “do shoes have animal based glues in them?”, my conclusion was “not anymore”. Was this wrong?
So I replied:
Hi Jessica,
Thanks for the response! I really appreciate it.Do you have any idea what kind of animal by products are in the glue? I have done some internet research on the topic of animal glues and read some articles which say most glue nowadays is animal free, so I would be quite interested to know specifically what exactly animal by products in the glue means!This would really be going above and beyond but I believe it would clear up a lot of controversy on the internet about whether converse are truly vegan friendly. If you google this topic there is a lot of contradictory information out there, so this would be MUCH appreciated!Thank You!
Good work, detective! =)
While their vague answer is frustrating, I’m glad they’re being TOO cautious rather than not cautious enough.. I’ve read so many stories on The PPK about customer service reps saying “Yes, our product IS vegan!” and being dead wrong.
Thanks for posting this. I absolutely love converse for casual days but have stopped buying them because I cannot be certain that they are vegan. I am a little confused by some of the wording in this post… “so they are a great vegan shoe for boys…if you are down with the glue.” I think it is odd to refer to converse as “a great vegan shoe” when converse themselves have said that sometimes their glue might contain animal ingredients…that would make them NOT vegan by definition. Until we know for certain I think it is irresponsible to call converse vegan…and although I love them we should support other companies that make truly vegan shoes.
Hmm good point. The last sentence is oddly worded.
My conclusion was that converse is trying to cover their butts because they have no IDEA what is in their glue and are too lazy to find out. From my research online it seems that the consensus is that all shoes glues these days are synthetic and not made from animal products. I think converse is doing that thing that a lot of food companies do, where they say this products MAY have been packaged in a place with PEANUTS, FISH, SOY, and any other things people are allergic to, knowing full well that they aren’t, just to prevent themselves from getting sued by people with life threatening allergies. “MAY contain SOME animal BY-PRODUCTS?”….But you do have a point, that until converse will firmly SAY that the glue is synthetic (they never responded to my email) or even make any tiny effort to accommodate vegans, they are clearly not a vegan friendly company in the slightest. And if you feel inclined, by all means boycott them and write blog posts against them and I hope they notice and change their ways. I appreciate your comment…and you bring up very good points!
I wish companies made any good looking functional vegan shoes though. I have yet to find any that are functional and actually look halfway decent.
Sarah I must disagree with yor. First of all almost all shoes under 50$ are made with synthetic materials and unintentionally vegan….some are quite functional and have really lasted a long time. Second there are a lot of great totally vegan shoe companies out there now…they are just usually more pricey but some are quite stylish (tho not always). If you want stylish though, just look at all the fast fashion places h&m, forever21, modcloth, zara, asos, etc…sort them by shoes under $50, and then double check the materials to make sure there is no leather in them.
I know insecta shoes are 100% vegan
Although it can be a struggle to find cute vegan shoes, a lot of (or maybe all?)Toms are vegan! They have some really cute tennis shoes and flats. Native also has some vegan boots.
Since shoe companies no longer use glue made from animals, would it be completely irresponsible of me to buy a pair? I agree that they are probably just too lazy to find out if the glue is vegan or not. The reason I want to buy some are because my school is strict on having plain black leather shoes, but plain all-over black converse are the only thing I can find that are close enough without being made fro leather. If I get some I’ sure my school teachers will understand, so should I risk the glue?
Personally I would. I love that you are breaking the dress code to take a stand for animals. Great work!!
If your school requires it and you did your research on a full black leather shoe and converse match that discription and aren’t leather, just the glue MIGHT contain animal byproducts, I’d say you fone with using them. You did the best you could finding shoes.
Your concern just shows that you really do care. We all make mistakes, eat/drink thing that have animal byproducts because we are told they don’t.
I dont stop myself from eating Cliff bars that MIGHT contain milk but no milk in the ingredients. I’m limited to protein/trail mix bars in my area. (Stores are slowly coming around and ordering more). Converse are cool ass shoes too. My point though, don’t be so hard on yourself. It’s not the end of the world. And like most people are saying, its probably a synthetic glue.
You forgot about David Tennant and Matt Smith! My two favorite actors!
HA! I love it. I have been meaning to see what all this fuss about doctor who is. But where should I start? The beginning?
Yes! The second “beginning” lol.
The show first aired in the sixties, known as “Classic Doctor Who” or just “the classic series” (the Brits call each new season “series”…gotta love them!), which ran for about 26 yrs. (yes, THAT long), until the eighties. The show began again in 2005 with Christopher Eccleston as the new Doctor and Billie Piper as “Rose”, which was also the name of the first episode in the new series.
PBS aired the first new season/series in 2008 (sadly, only that first season/series was aired on our local station; still, enough to fall in love with it and give me one more reason to MAJORLY <3 PBS). It then aired on SyFy (since gone). Now, you can catch new episodes/specials/reruns on BBC America OR go to Netflix and catch either all the classic series episodes (from the very, VERY beginning) or the episodes from the new series (from the "new" beginning).
Enjoy! :-)
Thank you G. I have been wondering about this for a long time. That is so sweet of you, i appreciate your explaining Dr. WHO :DDD Thanks AGAIN!
Great website! I was researching shoes for my documentary. I found your article very informative. I really need to look more into the glue though. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks Mike. I love that you are making a movie about going vegan. That is so cool. Randomly, I am also 26. How is it going so far? Let me know if you need to know anything more about vegan shoes. TTYS! -Victoria
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Unfortunately people who state that shoes companies no longer use glues derived from animals have completely missed the mark – almost all shoes that you would assume to be vegan (so canvas shoes for instance) are put together with animal-derived shoes. Therefore I, as a vegan, would not buy any of these shoes. Why would you look differently on the animals that suffered for the sake of the glue as opposed to the animals that suffered for the whole shoe!? Saskia x
Saskia, I would be very interested to know how you know that the glues are animal derived. Everything I have read about it on the internet says otherwise–but of course…it’s the internet!!! So not necessarily to be totally trusted. I’d love to know what you know! And I agree with your basic point.
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Thanks for the very informative post. Have you any idea about the issue of sweatshop labour/treatment of workers? Seems that Nike have, at least historically, been implicated in scandals involving abuse of workers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_sweatshops
Excellent question–I don’t really know. I have read things that make me question being anti-sweatshop. Let me explain… in an excellent book, Half the Sky: Turning Oppression into Opportunity for Women Worldwide by Ny times journalists Nicolas Kristof and Cheryl Wu-Dunn there is a part about how sweatshops actually give women in poor countries a way to make a salary and if they didn’t have their sweatshop job they would be forced to turn to prostitution which is like a death sentence there because of aids, to survive. Often when well meaning westerners campaign to close down sweatshops they are sentencing women to a fate far worse than they could ever imagine. However, I need to research this topic much more and thank you for the informative link!
Any further progress made with converse?
No, Chris. Should I ask them again?
Hi, please do, if it’s possible:) thanks in advance
Please ask them again, yes, please and thank you! If you’d like to provide the email address of the last person you asked, I’d be happy to ask as well.
Hi Chris, the email I used was estore@converse.com
I’d love to know what they say to you about that. Maybe now the times have changed and they won’t give such a sketchy answer and then fail to follow up because veganism is more cool now.
I sent them an email today. Keep you posted.
wow thank you chris! please do keep me updated. thank you!
I believe the info on Converse is outdated. They use all synthetic glues now.
I got the same patented response from converse:
“Hi,
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, we do not have any products that are certain to be Vegan-friendly. While the majority of our materials are animal-by-product free, the glue in our products can sometimes contain some animal by-products. So, it is not possible for us to advertise our products as being truly Vegan.
We apologize if this prevents you from being able to wear our product. We certainly hope it does not because there is nothing in the world like a pair of Converse sneakers!
Thank you for shopping with us and we do hope that you find something that you like and can enjoy!
Thank you,
Jessica S.
Converse.Com
Customer Service”
I sent a reply to Jessica, thanking her for her quick response but noting that her answer was somewhat ambiguous. I asked if she could inquire with her glue provider or if she could give me the contact info and I would inquire. Sent her that email 3 days ago – no response yet.
Keep ya posted!
Just got another answer that isn’t really any clearer:
“Hello,
Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately we have multiple glue providers which makes it difficult to provide the requested information. As mentioned in the email below, our materials are animal-by-product free, the glue in our products can sometimes contain some animal by-products. So, it is not possible for us to advertise our products as being truly Vegan. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.
We appreciate your continued support of the Converse brand. Please feel free to let us know if we can assist you further.
Thank you,
Ishmael
Converse.Com
Customer Service”
I will keep trying to get a clearer answer but the info doesn’t seem to be out dated if this is the same response we keep getting.
Wow, thank you so much Chris for doing this research. I guess that is slightly less vague. Congrats on getting past the first stock response lol. But on closer reading….the second email does not seem any clearer. Basically it seems they are saying they don’t know and haven’t taken the time to figure it out, because they’ve heard glues can sometimes contain animal by product. HOW short sighted of them not to get on the side of vegans as the tides turn and times change and society becomes more vegan friendly. Since as they repeat, their shoes are vegan besides that. They need to man up and ask the glue factories. Thanks so much for looking into this further, i and everyone who finds this post (one of the most popular on the blog so others are searching as well) will find this helpful!!
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These are vegan and look like converse. http://www.ethletic.com/?page_id=60
awesome. thanks for sharing them. I like them.
Check out http://www.ethletic.com. They have styles that are very similar to Converse and are 100% vegan.
thanks jp!
Joaquin and River Phoenix wore them, two of the most famous and strict vegans on the planet and PETA spokespersons.
I think if we start getting really picky we ruin the point of veganism, which is not being cruel to animals, but it doesn’t mean being cruel to yourself.
It also puts people off becoming vegan when we start being this anal. I commend vegans who really try to eliminate everything from their life, but i’ve made the switch to a full vegan diet, i use eco household products and method products and as long as i don’t buy fur, leather or any animal skins deliberately, i still think my lifestyle has value and is moving in the right direction.
I regularly encourage my friends to eat my vegan creations with me and they show curiosity in the lifestyle, if i start ranting at them about shoe glue they’re not going to jump on board anytime soon.
I’m in no way making light of it, of course using animals for anything is to be avoided, but a little practicality could help promote Veganism in a less extreme light…
I’m going to get told off now, aren’t i /:
No I actually agree with you and think you have a great point. I guess everyone can make the choice for themselves about what they want to do about a glue that may or may not contain animal products…but I agree that if you can’t wear any shoes…no one is going to want to go vegan, which is the most important thing we can do for the animals. So it’s important to focus on the big picture which is refusing to buy animal products 3 times a day at mealtimes and every time we buy clothes or shoes. Thanks for the rant!!
This is some sound reasoning and very balanced. I think with that attitude, it will be more attractive to others also. And, eventually these companies will get on board, too. Do your best. Veganism isn’t about perfection.
I think Caris makes an excellent point. To be a serious force vegan steps need to be practical and fashionable.
We have to be wary of the slippery slope though. Once you start allowing some animal products where do you stop?
I think it’s commendable that Converse is being so finicky in not allowing the vegan label apply to themselves. The ‘we source glue from many different suppliers’ sounds like a bit of nonsense though. Surely converse (Nike) is large enough to determine the specific ingredients of the glue that is put into their shoe.
Also, it’s hard to take the ‘counter culture’ iconography of converse seriously any more. It’s a fashion icon owned by Nike, worn by everyone. What would be really nice to see is some famous celebrities wearing genuine vegan shoes. But that is idle dreaming!
Thanks for your research nonleatherlife.
It’s hard to become vegan when you have to go school shopping and the things that are cute or the things I like are non vegan, I got a pair of converse high tops (my favorite shoes) and feel like and idiot because I should have just ordered %100 vegan friendly shoes online. My backpack probably contains animal products to. Errr I really need to keep and open mind when shopping.
Gerard Way wears Converse, too.
What about this on this very site?
http://mynonleatherlife.com/2011/06/17/do-shoes-have-animal-based-glues-in-them-no-thankfully/
All I own and wear are converse, I would make the switch but I’m still early in my transaction into being a vegan and I live in a small town in the middle of no where so it’s hard to find vegan food, let alone vegan clothes
I still wear converse. Have you seen my pinterest board of cool vegan shoes/clothes you can buy online. https://www.pinterest.com/marthaflatley/cool-vegan-shoes/
It might help you cause it doesn’t involve buying stuff in an actual store. Good for you for going vegan!!! That’s what really counts. Thank you from the animals and myself!!
I was thinking maybe buying them secondhand would be an alternative, too? It isn’t money going to the company that “may contain animal by-products in their shoe glu,” and it doesn’t have to be super expensive buying from a vegan-only company, which not everyone can do. Plus, it’s eco-friendly to buy secondhand. But that’s just what I thought of. My husband has really really big feet and it’s almost impossible to get shoes in his size, so there’s less options. So you have to be reasonable.
On the peta uk site they are listed as vegan
You can get shoes that look identical to converse and are vegan and ethically made here: http://www.avesu.eu/brands/ethletic-eu.html
The brand is called Ethletic
thank you for sharing this!
Hi Victoria, great post, and you definitely have the right idea; performing one’s own due diligence is the best way to ensure that an item is in fact vegan-friendly. With regard to the glue issue (as a sort of ‘2016 update’) I’ve called many shoe companies on behalf of a new online vegan store I’m starting, in order to see if they use animal by-products in their adhesives, etc. and many admit that they do. This is still happening for some reason…why, I’m not sure, but according to many companies, such as BC Footwear, and Kenneth Cole (“Unlisted” line), it is.
your website looks like it will be awesome. I hope you are the next jeff bezos of the vegan world. Way to get a head start on the wave of the future. Let me know when your site launches. And thanks for alerting me about how the companies admit the glue is not vegan. That is troubling. Ugh.
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Hey everyone, I just checked today on Converse Live Chat to see if the Converse Chuck Taylor All Star shoes are vegan and they are! They use synthetic glue! Yay!
thank you for giving us the latest and greatest info. I always figured the customer service people just didn’t know what they were talking about and were just trying to cover their butts and it was probably synthetic in keeping up with modern times. thank you for commenting on this thread to let us know!
Why those fools don’t actively and aggressively promote a shoe as vegan is beyond me. Actually, it isn’t: wicked corporations do NOT want vegetarians and animal-lovers to get a foothold. Good news about Chucks, however.
I’m sorry for your lack of a definitive answer. As far as I’m aware 99% of Converses’ glue comes from true synthetic glue and not byproducts. Due to converse being made in Malaysia and not the US anymore, they may need help to outsource the glue when production can’t meet up with material needs. Material manufacturers may lie to keep costs down it’s not an easy thing to testglue for byproducts. I hope this helps you make an informed decision. All other materials are vegan friendly
Converse are not an ethical company, i doubt they care about animal welfare. i doubt they know what workers in malaysia are putting in their glue, they can’t even look after their workers.
https://www.oxfam.org.au/2011/07/abuse-part-of-daily-bread-for-converse-workers/
this site says
“Nike, who took over Converse in 2003, has admitted that the two factories are sites of “serious and egregious” physical and verbal abuse. Yet the footwear giant claims to have limited influence over Converse suppliers due to pre-existing licences.
Labour advocates are sceptical of this claim and point out that the Sukabumi factory began producing Converse shoes four years after Nike took over the company. Many observers believe that when it comes to implementing workplace rights, Nike has taken far too long to just do it as thousands of workers face experience abusive working conditions and below minimum wages at Pou Chen and other Converse suppliers.
Based on Nike’s own investigations almost two thirds of the 168 factories making Converse have failed to meet Nike’s codes of conduct. Nike says it is now taking “decisive action” to address the abuse in the two factories, including implementing a confidential grievance process for workers and additional training for supervisors and managers.”
Hello all, I got this reply from them today
“I can fully understand that you would like to know if the items on Converse.com, are Vegan and I am happy to provide you with more information.
First of all, all our glues are synthetic and non-animal based. All our canvas, Chuck Taylor All Stars styles are Vegan friendly.
While the majority of our materials are animal-by-product free, the products could be manufactured in a facility which could contain animal-by-products. This means that our non-animal based shoes are manufactured in a factory that also produces leather shoes.
In result, it is not possible for us to advertise our products as being truly Vegan. The same knife that is used to cut a leather shoe may be used to cut the materials on a non leather based product, for example.
If you would like to have more information in regard to our product materials, we have a link & PDF that can be found on Converse.com to view. Please see the link below:
https://www.converse.com/uk/en/product-materials-and-technology/product-materials-faq.html
Of course we will let our production team know that there is a demand for a “Certified Vegan” shoe in general.”
Hello all, I got this reply from converse today ….
“I can fully understand that you would like to know if the items on Converse.com, are Vegan and I am happy to provide you with more information.
First of all, all our glues are synthetic and non-animal based. All our canvas, Chuck Taylor All Stars styles are Vegan friendly.
While the majority of our materials are animal-by-product free, the products could be manufactured in a facility which could contain animal-by-products. This means that our non-animal based shoes are manufactured in a factory that also produces leather shoes.
In result, it is not possible for us to advertise our products as being truly Vegan. The same knife that is used to cut a leather shoe may be used to cut the materials on a non leather based product, for example.
If you would like to have more information in regard to our product materials, we have a link & PDF that can be found on Converse.com to view. Please see the link below:
https://www.converse.com/uk/en/product-materials-and-technology/product-materials-faq.html
Of course we will let our production team know that there is a demand for a “Certified Vegan” shoe in general.”